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| movistar |
Posted - 08/20/2007 : 3:38:07 PM
I would like to know what the RULES are, and what the PENALTIES are for teams or captains who deliberatly, encourage THEIR players to hold back on their playing skills In order to keep their skill levels at a DISHONEST LEVEL . THUS, manipulating the system !
if anybody reads this posting and doesn't think it happens.... you have your head in the potty and are in denial..... |
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| D-RACK |
Posted - 08/28/2007 : 08:45:14 AM
Perfectly said!!! Topic Closed. |
| Phil |
Posted - 08/28/2007 : 12:45:02 AM
Knowing it happens and "having the goods" on someone are two different things. "Having the goods" means a current or former teammate reports to us exactly what has happened and is willing to sign an affidavit to that effect. This has actually only happened twice since we started. One captain was suspended for six months and had to admit what he did in writing before being allowed to play again (and he still can't be a team captain). The other got a permanent suspension, as his offenses were much more serious.
For the rest, all we can do is try to make the skill levels as accurate as possible. Even if we're positive someone is trying to manipulate, without "the goods" our only recourses are to make skill level adjustments or to make it as difficult as possible for that player/team to continue playing in the league.
There are quite a few players in the league today who did not "earn" their current ratings. They were raised ("bumped", "jacked", whatever term you prefer) by the League Office or the Handicap Advisory Committee. That does NOT mean they are ALL suspected of cheating, but some of them are (and no, it will not do you any good to ask which are and which are not  ). In one case, four players were raised a total of eight skill levels over the course of two years. None of them ever went up on their own. They finally got the message and quit, but only after they had been informed of this fact. I couldn't kick them out, so I had to do what I could to invite them out. To this day none of them plays in the league, and it doesn't bother me a bit. If you want to cheat, go cheat somewhere else.
It all starts with names and details. Without that, all we have is what's on the score sheets. Sometimes the score sheets do tell a story, but it's much easier to see if you're looking for it, meaning the flag has already been raised on that particular player/team. The Skill Level Evaluation Request form is the best way to raise that flag. Fill it out in as much detail as you can and get the cheaters on our radar.
Are people going to try to cheat? Yes. Are they going to get away with it? Some probably will, at least for a while. Eventually they will get tired of cheating, get tired of playing altogether, or get caught. However it happens, the result will be the same - one less cheater in our league.
Will honest players be accused of cheating? You betcha. In fact, that's what often holds us back. We can't penalize an honest player just because someone thinks they're cheating. If we did that, nearly everyone would be overrated. Soooooooo, the question is not whether we know players are cheating. Yes, we know that. The question for us is which ones? It's up to you to help us figure that out.
Phil
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| movistar |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 2:46:20 PM
it is utterly amazing how the subject "sandbagging" can change to
.....the "standings at the nationals"...ha ha ha....
everybody... thanks for reading....
back to the original subject.... i wasn't so much concerned about the players that suddenly have a GREAT night and beat a seven or a six by a great margin, but, the people who dedliberately miss, to add innings to the score and, lose on purpose so they won't go up in skill ratings... we ALL know this happens
shoot well..... life is short
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| D-RACK |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 2:17:37 PM
Please keep us informed on how the do i will start a new thread on the main page
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| Kerry Randolph |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 12:57:57 PM
Thar she blows
http://www.poolplayers.com/ntc/2007ntc/standings.html
I checked it at 12:50 today and it was not updated after the morning round.
It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt |
| trhxke |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 12:39:20 PM
Kerry,
I went over and over that site and I never saw a "Current Standings" link.
Can you post the actual link your are talking about?
For instance
http://www.poolplayers.com/tournament_info.html
Tom Hardinger
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| Keith |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 11:35:15 AM
Here is a link to national apa site http://www.poolplayers.com/
You only lose when you stop learning |
| Kerry Randolph |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 11:30:51 AM
Agent 13 from Camarillo is playing the 8:00 am round thursday morning. California has 8 teams left in the 8-ball tournament.
If you go to the national website click on the tournament link and click on "current standings" it will show who is still in it and their next or current match.
It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt |
| Keith |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 09:45:16 AM
The only thing I heard from Vegas was that the team that beat my team lost pretty early.
You only lose when you stop learning |
| D-RACK |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 09:20:43 AM
Keith -
Do you know how Dirks teams doing? |
| Keith |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 09:02:36 AM
GO FIGURE THAT I POST ON A SUBJECT OF SANDBAGGING AS MUCH AS I HAVE
You only lose when you stop learning |
| Keith |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 01:53:30 AM
To elaborate on something that is situational. One team mate of mine came into the league with a sliced bridge hand and could not play well the first week. When the stiches were taken out he played a little better the next week. The week after that he played like he could and luckily it was against phils team because he had been playing his heart out and due to a cut could not shoot straight. Due to this I think that before you blame someone of sandbagging you have to know the whole picture and not just that one streach of 2 to 7 racks that this person just played.
You only lose when you stop learning |
| Keith |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 01:46:26 AM
first things first. Torsten I chomp at the bit to play you because you play more like a 7. I dont understand how a question with a simple answer can get so much going. If you think someone is sandbaging then keep an eye open and then contact the league office. But you cant call on one person and not on another. You have to be able to call on yourself or your own team before you call on another team for the same thing. If you call on another player you thenset a bar that no matter who does it you call it. I see and hear teams complain all the time and they have the same issue on there team.
You only lose when you stop learning |
| trhxke |
Posted - 08/22/2007 : 4:48:24 PM
Ask Richard Haydt about that kind of thing.
He played great all night, 8 ball break, Break and run, had 5 to nothing in a 6 to 2 race and he lost to a 3 because of a mistake in game 6 and then the 3 shot like GOD in game 7 winning 2 to 5.
I played a 3 had him 4 to nothing in a 5 to 2 race, I scratched on the 8 ball then the 3 broke and ran on me.
Anything is possible and it will usually happen when you least expect it. It's called 8 ball!
Tom Hardinger
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| pfan |
Posted - 08/22/2007 : 4:41:02 PM
Tom's got it right. I played and shutout a SL5 in eight ball one week and then lost to a SL2 the next. BTW, I'm a SL6 and was trying not to lose to the SL2 but made too many errors. Go figure. |
