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| D-RACK |
Posted - 04/23/2008 : 09:19:48 AM
This is not a one time occurrence it happens every week. There is a player in your Division that takes 30-40 sec per shot, EVERY TIME!
This year I witnessed this player (SL5) with a SL6 and the match was over at 10 pm.
This week we played them his match SL5 vs. SL5 ended 9:45
***THE MATCH STARTED AT 7:30!***
Now i know what your thinking.... ok it was a lot of DEFENSE... NOPE!
So i politely (Yes I can be...lol)  repeatedly asked that player to "Please speed up the match" and there is still no change in his time at the table.
I will contact Taz and Phil before my next match if it gets to that point... and YES i know what the book says to do...
I am looking for FRESH IDEAS!!!
Thank You.
D-RACK |
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| Phil |
Posted - 05/30/2008 : 3:06:45 PM
quote:
[i]Originally posted by poolguy[/i]
[br]Kerry,
I'm relatively new to the APA, and the rules are *driving me crazy*.
The rules are very specific about balls moved during a shot and there is nothing in the rules to cover the situation you describe. The referee's ruling makes sense only if you're playing BCA or international rules.
Phil, can you comment on this specific rules interpretation? If the referee was *correct*, what in the rules was he basing his interpretation on?
John
It only hurts if you miss.
I have no context for this specific situation, so I cannot comment. It may have been a referee mistake, or it may have been a case where the tournament officials instructed the referees to make this call. It could also be related to another 8-Ball rule about altering the course of the cue ball or the 8-Ball in a game losing situation. All I can say is that locally we do not rule on what ***might have*** happened, only on what did happen.
Phil
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| poolguy |
Posted - 05/30/2008 : 09:54:29 AM
Kerry,
I'm relatively new to the APA, and the rules are *driving me crazy*.
The rules are very specific about balls moved during a shot and there is nothing in the rules to cover the situation you describe. The referee's ruling makes sense only if you're playing BCA or international rules.
Phil, can you comment on this specific rules interpretation? If the referee was *correct*, what in the rules was he basing his interpretation on?
John
It only hurts if you miss. |
| Kerry Randolph |
Posted - 05/30/2008 : 08:16:08 AM
John,
Yeah, I discussed this with the referee for about a half hour before he convinced me it was a foul. This happened at Nationals 2 or 3 years ago. He said since the cue ball would have hit the ball that was moved by accident and could have scratched than the roll of the cue ball was affected by the ball no longer being in its original spot. Therefore it is a foul. The referee was really cool about it and we wound up having beers and shooting a few games later that night.
It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt |
| poolguy |
Posted - 05/29/2008 : 3:47:41 PM
Kerry,
It's my understanding that if a player shoots and then moves a ball (or balls), it is NOT a foul unless the cue ball hits one of the moved balls. Therefore, I do not understand how moving a ball away from the path of the cue ball would be a foul.
I'll say that it *should be* a foul, but as I read the APA rules, and based on input from Phil, I don't think it is. I personally very much prefer a rule like the international rules have which states that if you move a ball during a shot and it affects the lay of the table it is a foul. By affecting the lay of the table I mean that a ball in motion hits the moved ball (doesn't have to be the cue ball) or a ball in motion passes through the space occupied by the moved ball (the case you are talking about).
John
It only hurts if you miss. |
| sexypain |
Posted - 05/29/2008 : 12:21:28 PM
Every time I go to Las Vegas for a tournament there is always couple of players who seem to take a very long time (no joke!) to take a shot. They move in SLOW MOTION. Everything form looking at the shot; to finding the chalk; to finding the right stanze;to debating the correct english; to finalizing the bridge; to focusing on the stroke; to standing up again and re-analyzing the shot; to considering another ball; to "maybe" calling a time-out; to "okay, here it goes." Once I pointed it out (to the player and one offical) and nothing was done about it. So, I would speak to the higher powers but I don't think there is much you can do. Good Luck. |
| Kerry Randolph |
Posted - 05/28/2008 : 4:17:44 PM
I believe if anything other then the natural roll of the balls on the table alters the path of the cue ball it is a foul. I have never seen this before, but I did have a situation where a player shot and then bumped a ball moving it just enough to keep the cue ball from hitting it and scratching. This resulted in a foul.
It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt |
| BigRigTom |
Posted - 05/28/2008 : 3:51:39 PM
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Kerry Randolph[/i]
[br]I asked Taz this question not too long ago. She said it is not a foul if the 8-ball hits the marker. It has just as much of a chance of going in as not after it hits the marker. This is very rare.
It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt
What if it were the cue ball that hit the marker (good or bad) what is the ruling then?
BigRigTom
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| Kerry Randolph |
Posted - 05/28/2008 : 3:46:37 PM
I asked Taz this question not too long ago. She said it is not a foul if the 8-ball hits the marker. It has just as much of a chance of going in as not after it hits the marker. This is very rare.
It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt |
| python116 |
Posted - 05/28/2008 : 2:40:59 PM
This is a foul. The marker cannot be placed where it will interfere with the shot(for better or for worse). |
| md913 |
Posted - 05/28/2008 : 1:28:51 PM
MGB SEEMS TO ME THAT THE PLAYER WHO PUT AN OBJECT IN THE DIRECT LINE OF HIS SHOT SHOULD BE PENALIZED WITH A FOUL, YOU KNOW NO OUTSIDE TOOLS ALLOWED....BUT IN THIS CASE I THINK THE (I'M NOT PAYING ATTENTION AWARD)IS THEIRS... CONSIDERING IT MADE THEIR GAME WINNING SHOT GO OFF COURSE...???? GO FIGURE!!!
md |
| MGB |
Posted - 05/28/2008 : 12:59:13 PM
Here is another, how do you handle this question...
I am a first time captain, last night I was watching and scoring one of my players games. His opponent was shooting a long rail shot on the 8 ball & marked the pocket near the rail with his keys. He hit the shot pure, while the ball was hugging the rail, tracking towards the hole, the 8 ball made contact with his keys, which made the 8 ball go off course and he missed the shot. I was somewhat relieved that my player seemingly dodged a bullet and still had a chance in the game. After my teammate shot, I asked their captain, a long time captain/league member and also carries a ranking of 7, what the ruling is in that case and he wasn't sure. Upon hindsight, it probably would have been best to stop play and call the office or a league rep. and ask for a ruling.
So the question is, how do you handle the above situation? |
| ValleyMast |
Posted - 04/24/2008 : 09:43:54 AM
We have a poor SL2 who can't even hold the stick properly. She tries really hard. She takes a REALLY long time to shoot because someone told her that she should chalk up and walk around the table and look at all her shots. Boy, does she take that statement literally. But a few weeks ago, a SL7 was shooting. And Jimmy Christmas... he took his sweet time to shoot. So the 0, 1 or 2 inning games were really like 20 minutes long. It was painful. Then there was a SL6, who had a routine before every shot. God forbid that they got interrupted because they had to restart their supersition behavior.
I agree. SLOW PLAY... no matter the skill level. I know that certain teams when we play them we aren't leaving the bar until 2am. |
| pfan |
Posted - 04/23/2008 : 11:59:25 AM
As a SL6, I've played a number of lower ranked players who do take a long time for each shot. It is irritating to say the least. I believe it is sometimes a strategic move on my opponent's part to throw me off my game. There should be a penalty for excessive delays of the game. Otherwise, I think more and more players will simply leave the league since its no fun to finish a night after midnight on a work day. Just my 2 cents. |
