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snipes
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 Posted - 01/06/2006 : 12:03:31 PM
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And whoever said I couldn't start a fire with a couple sticks?
OK, I personally think $20 a year is cheap, too cheap! Anyone play softball or basketball on a team? Look at what you pay per season , not per year. For those of you that don't know, it could range anywhere between $25 and $45 per season/per sport. If you start saving $3.33 this Jan. you could afford to pay a $40 fee next Jan. that would last you for 3 seasons. Let's break it down even further and look through a microscope; it's $0.11 a day (a DIME and a PENNY). So, with that being said, I think Phil's idea of doing both sounds like a good one. We get the "end of the season" bonus check (not Captain's check) issued and we play the tournament too. I do like the idea of sending more people to regionals, the more we send to regional, the better our odds are to make Nationals and bring home the gold. Or whatever it is you bring home, I have never made it that far  |
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waynec
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Posted - 01/06/2006 : 1:03:55 PM
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Thanks for the explanation Phil.
OK, now that I have that done, I wanted to just give my own 2 cents. My team will be discussing this with me during the next few days, and their views will be forthcoming.
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First, I understand how some team captains feel that the checks should be theirs since they are covering forfeits, paying players fees when they don't have the money at that time, etc. ... all out of their own pocket.
I think it's important that anytime money is being paid out of pocket by the captain (or anyone on a team) that the person who paid out money (above and beyond their own fees) should have first dibs on being repaid out of the prize fund check. This just makes sense to me.
It's equally important (to me) that all of the team members be made aware of a) the existence of the prize check, b) the fact (when necessary) that one or more persons will be being reimbursed for paying for forfeits or other members fees during the session, and c) that the purpose of the check is as prize money for the points earned by the team during the session.
This way, everyone is aware and noone can say that they didn't know or weren't aware. That said, my team (and one other team before this I was on) used the prize check money to pay the annual dues (when they were due) and/or the first few weeks player fees at the beginning of the next session. In my opinion, this is the most fair way to use the money as it benefits the team as a whole and does not favor any one member.
If the changes outlined at the captain's meeting take place, then this will all end. There will no longer be a prize check at the end of session to use for any purpose by any of the teams, except those few who win the local tournament. One thing that I think will change (for the better?) is that the teams who win will be acutely aware of the prize money and there will be no team captains keeping it all for themselves, regardless of the reason.
On another note:
Keeping Prize Checks
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Total cost to League Management ------- $605
Implementing Money Tournaments
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Total cost to League Management ------- $4059
If you were us, which would you choose?
From a savings standpoint, I'd choose to keep the prize checks. From a writeoff standpoint, I'd choose to implement the money tournaments. Depends on what you want to get from it, I guess. 
I understand that much time will be saved in printing up all those checks (not to mention your banks processing time to process them all), and that the regionals will become more manageable. I cannot fault the league operators for wanting to streamline the operation as much as they can. It's good business sense.
Overall, I would rather keep the checks since my team uses them to put the money back into the league anyway. One other point that I haven't seen posted here is this. One of the reasons for the prize checks has been (I believe) as an incentive for new people to join the league and play amateur pool. The idea that they will be able to earn prize money at every level of play makes amateur league more desirable (in my opinion, anyway). If this changes so that only a few will reap the benefit, it may have a negative effect on recruitment of new players. Maybe not, but only time will tell.
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Phil
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Posted - 01/06/2006 : 2:07:43 PM
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Originally posted by waynec
On another note:
Keeping Prize Checks
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Total cost to League Management ------- $605
Implementing Money Tournaments
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Total cost to League Management ------- $4059
If you were us, which would you choose?
From a savings standpoint, I'd choose to keep the prize checks. From a writeoff standpoint, I'd choose to implement the money tournaments. Depends on what you want to get from it, I guess.
Actually, a writeoff almost never nets as much as it costs, it's just a way to recoup SOME of your expenses. In this case writing off $4000 in uncollected fees would probably reduce our tax bill by about $1000, which means it would still cost us $3000.
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Originally posted by waynec
I understand that much time will be saved in printing up all those checks (not to mention your banks processing time to process them all), and that the regionals will become more manageable. I cannot fault the league operators for wanting to streamline the operation as much as they can. It's good business sense.
Making the regionals manageable is the main reason for implementing the tricups. Printing/processing the checks has nothing to do with it whatsoever. It takes me about two hours to print all of the end of session checks (including the summary that comes along with it) and it takes Taz another couple of hours to organize them all, make notes, etc. The bank doesn't charge us for processing, except a small fee when they are all cashed at once.
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Originally posted by waynec
Overall, I would rather keep the checks since my team uses them to put the money back into the league anyway. One other point that I haven't seen posted here is this. One of the reasons for the prize checks has been (I believe) as an incentive for new people to join the league and play amateur pool. The idea that they will be able to earn prize money at every level of play makes amateur league more desirable (in my opinion, anyway). If this changes so that only a few will reap the benefit, it may have a negative effect on recruitment of new players. Maybe not, but only time will tell.
This has not been the case across the country where tricups have been implemented. Most areas experienced major growth after implementing tricup tournaments with big payouts. Growth is good for everyone, for us as business owners and for our players as well. Significant growth could allow us to fund both the tricups AND end of session prize checks.
Phil
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