| Author |
 Topic  |
|
Derailed
USA
38 Posts |
 Posted - 07/10/2007 : 12:42:22 AM
|
| Regarding the time issue, common sense is the answer. Some nights it is obvious in the divisions I am involved in (3), something has to change. I will start with myself and the teams I am part of. Maybe others will follow. Taz is correct, some of the fun is taken away when the nights run too late. |
 |
|
|
Historytchr
15 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2007 : 09:35:52 AM
|
| What about the player that is just naturally slow? I have a player on my Monday night team who, because of her age and health, does not move around the table as quickly as she use to. She been with APA for a very long time, but since she takes longer to shoot now should we exclude her from the league? |
|
|
|
D-RACK
USA
321 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2007 : 10:03:09 AM
|
Some People just don’t get it………………….
Of course common courtesy is extended to certain people…………..We are discuss the topic of time outs and length of time in-between shots…
I believe Dirk said it best ………… Lead by example…..
|
|
|
|
Historytchr
15 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2007 : 10:52:31 AM
|
The point of my last post was that she does take longer than the time allowed between shots to get around the table and line up a shot. Should she be faulted for this? From the sounds of it some would say yes and some no. Luckily, most of the teams we play with have known her for a long time and they do extend the courtesy to her.
|
|
|
|
D-RACK
USA
321 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2007 : 10:57:36 AM
|
Cool ................OSunds like you are covered
|
|
|
|
trhxke
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2007 : 11:55:27 AM
|
quote:
Originally posted by Historytchr
The point of my last post was that she does take longer than the time allowed between shots to get around the table and line up a shot. Should she be faulted for this? From the sounds of it some would say yes and some no. Luckily, most of the teams we play with have known her for a long time and they do extend the courtesy to her.
It is my understanding that like the law ...rules have several faces.
Usually this is referred to as "The letter of the law" or "The spirit of the law" and then there is the "Intent of the law" and the "Interpretation of the law" and finally the "Enforcement of the law" and the "Application of the enforcement".
If the APA is intended to be a fun league where everyone can play and anyone can win as stated in all it's ads it would seem that consideration should be given to circumstances that do not necessarily get completely defined in the rules....thus...common sense and good sportsmanship.
I like having rules and I believe that everyone should know and play within the rules. The rules are what provide an enjoyable competitive game....but there are cases where the rules simply do not make sense to any reasonable person and that is when common sense must prevail.
Unfortunately we will always have occasional instances where one's common sense conflicts with another..... then we just call the league office...he he.
Tom Hardinger
www.BigRigToys.com
Your Internet Source for pool cues, cases, table accessories, darts and various collectibles. |
|
|
|
D-RACK
USA
321 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2007 : 12:02:29 PM
|
Great ANWSER!
Ok Tom has said it perfect ............. |
|
|
|
Historytchr
15 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2007 : 1:26:12 PM
|
I agree. Great answer Tom, you stated what I think everyone is really thinking about this topic. |
|
|
|
ginger
USA
35 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2007 : 3:35:27 PM
|
Ok Ted
I was going to leave this one alone, but you drove me to post. What this ORIGINAL topic was directed to was the constant 5-10 minute time outs called by someone we play on a regular basis. It's not meant for the person who takes a 2 minute time out once in their lives and we're going to jump all over them.
Let me give you a quick example (ACTUALLY HAPPENED)....I'm in the middle of an 8 ball match..playing a player ranked lower then myself. Player is new to pool in general, thinks english is only a course they took in high school...banks??? banks aren't open at this hour!!! hmmmm get the idea??? Well during a time out, after waiting a few minutes...I went outside and smoked an entire cigerette, came back in and the coach was STILL trying to explain where this person should hit the ball and how it was going to come off the rail, and what they should do after that ball was pocketted. (needless to say the player got overwhelmed and scratched on the first shot..forget the rest of the rack)
Now I have no issue with helping out someone new to the game...hell, take 5 minutes PROVIDED your not trying to teach them the game in whole during that time out. Also providing this is not a common occurance, to the point you are KNOWN for doing things like that. The person(s) this is directed to...are in fact "known" for such behavior!
Your entirly right in saying this is all about fun...I agree wholeheartedly, but what about the fun for the person waiting 10-15 minutes to take their next shot? I can tell ya, after that episode I had, it would have been "fun" to throw my stick like a dart and run around the pool table speaking in tongues!
As for the player on your Monday night team you reffer to...the whole league is aware of the situation and I think everyone does quite well in allowing extra time for this. Nobody tries to rush this player and take the fun out of it for anyone...I don't believe this player even violates the time rule.
-ginger
*It's better to have loved and lost, then to live with the psycho for the rest of your life* |
|
|
|
Historytchr
15 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2007 : 06:48:32 AM
|
Ginger,
Point taken, and you are correct that team to which we spoke about last night does take an excessive amount of time during time outs. |
|
|
|
ginger
USA
35 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2007 : 4:20:00 PM
|
Ted
-ginger
*It's better to have loved and lost, then to live with the psycho for the rest of your life* |
|
|
|
Taz
USA
555 Posts |
Posted - 07/13/2007 : 10:52:10 PM
|
Hey, Sharpshooter…..remember back to the beginning of this post where you referred to teams not reading their bylaws and observing the time guidelines for time-outs? I believe I also made reference (in one of my early replies) that “…Often times the team who is complaining forgets or doesn't realize they have teammates of their own guilty of the same infractions”.
Did you know there is a 2-minute time limit (covered in the same bylaws) to put up your next player? I wonder what your opinion is of a team who, upon completion of a match, has to take the entire team outside the host location to have a smoke while discussing who they will put up next. I’m sure the discussion lasts as long as the slowest smoker (which can often times take up to 10 minutes). Perhaps that team should pow-wow inside, declare their next player and then the rest of the team can step out to smoke?
|
|
|
|
sharpshooter
USA
41 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2007 : 09:02:23 AM
|
| Point taken however in our defense 90% of the time we already know who our next player is and are usually smoking while the other team decides what to do,or their next player is smoking with us.But I do understand what you are saying.Thank You TAZ. |
|
|
|
D-RACK
USA
321 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2007 : 09:07:38 AM
|
I have an easy solution.....Nicotine Gum or the PATCH in between matches...LOL ...
JK
D Rack! |
|
|
|
sharpshooter
USA
41 Posts |
Posted - 07/16/2007 : 09:31:56 AM
|
| NO NO NO the gum taste terrible and the patch is only for the cool kids!!!!LOL!! |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
20 seconds!! 1 minute!!
