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Calcwby4u
USA
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 Posted - 10/05/2007 : 5:14:46 PM
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During play this past week at my home location a member of the visiting team was encountered in the parking lot smoking marijuana. This activity was brought to the attention of the bartender who approached me to address the situation. I did so, to the individual and the Asst. Captain. They were both informed that this type of activity WILL NOT BE TOLERATED at my host location.
I am writing this post to inform any and all Captains, players, friends or whomever that I am here to protect the interests of the owners and employees of their establishment and that appropriate actions will be taken in the future should anyone feel that they would like to break the law and jeopardize them.
I don't care if you smoke your pot or do your drugs in your own homes or outside APA League activity, but DO NOT ... I REPEAT ... DO NOT .... ever bring them to our location during league events. The police will be called and you WILL be reported and turned over. It is my hope that you all will respect the owners/management/bartenders and other employees of all of our host venues and not jeopardize their livelyhoods.
Thank you for your attention and I hope that you will bring this matter to the attention of your players and respect the environments where they play and the rules and laws that govern them.
Phil Burns ... Player ... Moonshadows |
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trhxke
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2007 : 9:13:02 PM
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Wow!
Heaven forbid that anyone would have the nerve to indulge in the use of drugs while playing pool at an alcoholic beverage proveyor or on the property of any bar or pool hall!
Those people should be inside drinking!
Seriously though.....
Who was doing what where and when?
If it is really that bad we could all benefit from avoidance of that place & time, and those people. You're post mentions none of them so how do we avoid any of the evils you mentioned.
I for one like to drink but don't do other drugs and I do mean "OTHER" drugs since alcohol is a drug, on the other hand my wife takes vicodin and soma for her back and durning APA matches. Those are also drugs, just legally prescribed.
Marijuana is not legal but should be and is probably better for most people than the crap my wife is prescribed to take by an orthopedic surgeon.
Maybe people with such pompus attitudes about marijuana is the problem getting marijuana legalized. Maybe the people who feel marijuana is so bad should experience some of the pain my wife deals with daily and then deal with the effects of the drugs that the idiots prescribe to alleviate the pain.
Common sense is lost again!
Tom Hardinger
www.BigRigToys.com
Your Internet Source for pool cues, cases, table accessories, darts and various collectibles.
www.myspace.com/bigrigtom |
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Calcwby4u
USA
89 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2007 : 10:08:08 PM
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Mr. Tom Hardinger:
It is none of your business who what doing what, where and when. The names of the individuals don't need to be disclosed to you.
I do believe however that you have completely missed the point of the issue. My post was not to start a debate about the pro's and con's of marijuana use.
Since marijuana is ILLEGAL at this point in time, and if you and your wife or any of your friends happen to want to enjoy its use and happened to be apprehended by an ABC Officer or the Police, the license of the establishment where you were enjoying yourself could be revoked and/or a huge fine imposed. You may think this not to be a big deal but I'm sure that your employer wouldn't allow you to "smoke your dope" in his office either.
If YOU are not happy that marijuana is an illegal substance then be my guest and write your congressman/woman and senators and have them legislate its legality. Whether you and/or your wife would have all your aches and pains relieved by its use is not my say. Its use is as of this date and time ILLEGAL. Do all you want to legalize it, but don't put the livelyhood and the business of others in peril because you think its OK to partake.
I do believe that in every location that I play in there are signs stating that "drug use will not be tolerated". I am taking it upon myself to protect the owners of the establishment where I play pool, and their interests. I hope that you would do the same for the owners where you play.
I think it's about "respecting" others persons and property. I would hope that you would not be out in the parking lot of the establishment that you play out of smoking pot. Those that do should maybe examine their thought processes, and consider the effects their actions could have on others. Unless their heads are to clouded to make sound judgements. |
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jackmurray
USA
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Posted - 10/06/2007 : 08:33:52 AM
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Phil,
I think that if you need to tell the bartender about this then do so, move on and don't let it ruin your day/night. If you believe that this behavior could have consequenses on the establishment owners then I think I disagree. A law enforcement agency just would not, should not, and could not hold the establishment responsible for this sort of activity in a public parking lot. Maybe at Moonshadows there might be something about the parking lot (private property maybe?) where you feel this is offensive (that's probably not the right word I'm looking for) to you or the bar owners. Either way, I think I'd be glad the violators went outside to do this and then when match-time came around I'd hope I get to play one of those people. They'd be much more fun to play than me or one of my teammates after 10 beers. Oh, I'm not sure what the law is about doing this in public (nor do I really care- my belief is that this is not something I need to worry about) but in California some people are allowed (pretty much "licensed") to do this (maybe not in Moonshadow's parking lot). Tom may believe pot would be better for his wife than the prescription drugs she's taking but I think his point (or at least one of them) might be that people don't worry about what his wife has to take and he doesn't worry about what other players may be taking. My main point is, Phil, you sound a little "fired up" about this and this is not the sort of thing that should ruin the rest of your night. Have fun, shoot well, and if this is not going to harm anyone including the bar-owner(s), then try not to let it bother you. Good luck. |
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Doug Gill
USA
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Posted - 10/06/2007 : 6:49:40 PM
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I think what this is truly about is respect for the host location. Reputation is what alot of these locations rely on to drum up business. The last thing most of them want is to have even the rumor floating around that this type of activity is allowed or tolerated. The host locations owe us NOTHING....and we owe them EVERYTHING for supplying us with a place to play. As captain of my team, if the host location raised the issue with me, I would definitely address it as Phil has, regardless of my opinions about the issue.
It is also my belief that ANY activity that reflects negatively on South Coast APA, or the APA in general, can and would be dealt with by our league operators.
Good Shooting All!
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trhxke
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2007 : 7:03:06 PM
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I'm just glad that there are different opinions on this matter and I'm also glad that we have the right to differ in opinion.
Fortunately we are not yet being ruled and forced to accept the opinion of the ruling class.
There are laws and there are procedures in place for the purpose of enforcement of those laws and hopefully the enforcers will enforce and the violators will be "JUSTLY PUNISHED" and the rest of us can live in peace and harmony even when we have different opinions.
Tom Hardinger
www.BigRigToys.com
Your Internet Source for pool cues, cases, table accessories, darts and various collectibles.
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Phil
USA
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Posted - 10/06/2007 : 9:21:40 PM
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Originally posted by Doug Gill
It is also my belief that ANY activity that reflects negatively on South Coast APA, or the APA in general, can and would be dealt with by our league operators.
We are not the DEA, or the ABC, or the cops. We do not get involved in situations like this, unless the location contacts us, at which point we make sure they understand that it is not a league issue. They should deal with the INDIVIDUALS in whatever manner they deem fit in order to protect their business. These individuals happen to be there to play in a pool league, but they are not entitled to any special treatment by the owners/staff of the location, nor should the location expect us to be the enforcement agency for their policies and practices.
Most locations understand this. Occasionally one will contact us, and they usually get the point when we ask them what they would do if this happened on karaoke night instead of pool league night. Would they call the karaoke guy? Of course not. It's no more his fault than a pool player breaking laws is the fault of the pool league. It's a problem with an individual that the location has to deal with, and they should be consistent in their actions regardless of the reason why the individual is on their premises.
Mr. Burns has taken it upon himself to inform everyone of the consequences that will be faced by anyone who chooses to participate in illegal activities while on the premises of the location that hosts his team. He is well within his rights to do so. Whether the policy is a good one is neither here nor there - it's the location's policy, and he has informed as many people as he can. That's the extent of our involvement.
Phil
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Doug Gill
USA
92 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2007 : 10:14:23 AM
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Torsten
USA
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Posted - 10/08/2007 : 2:32:47 PM
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Perception is 90% of reality. While it is the individual who is partaking in the use weed, it still causes the perception that, "Whoa! What the @#$%? The pool league is a bunch of potheads?"
I honestly don't care if people smoke weed, but I know the Borderline, our host location, doesn't take kindly to it when it's done in plain sight of their establishment, be it in the parking lot or otherwise.
If you're a captain, and you have someone on your team who just can't wait until they get home to spark up their dooby, politely ask them to go somewhere out of sight and off the immediate premises.
Even though the bar proprietorship should deal with the individual, and not the league, the whole darn thing could be very simply avoided by not doing it in PLAIN SIGHT!
"When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa -- not screaming like the passengers in his car" |
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D-RACK
USA
321 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2007 : 3:23:10 PM
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Well lets a write nice things no reason to get nasty!!
Someone here needs a hug
Derrick |
Edited by - D-RACK on 10/08/2007 4:35:52 PM |
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Victor
USA
34 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2007 : 4:18:11 PM
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Beyond "86ing" the individual and/or barring any further APA participation, there's not much a host location can do about individual behaviors that occur off premises. I suppose if the police receive a series of complaints they could provide a greater presence in and around the area. But even when someone is "busted" for use of cannabis, there's not much punishment involved:
California code states:
Possession of marijuana is a misdemeanor under California Health and Safety Code
Section 11357. Possession of one ounce (28.5 gms) or less is punishable by a
maximum $100 fine. Jail time is possible for larger amounts or for hashish, which
is an optional felony ("wobbler"). However, under Prop 36, effective July 1, 2001, first-
and second- time possession-only offenders may demand a treatment program
instead of jail. Upon successful completion of the program, their conviction is erased.
Possession (and personal use cultivation) offenders can also avoid conviction by
making a preguilty plea under Penal Code 1000, in which case their charges are
dismissed upon successful completion of a diversion program. Possession offenses
are expunged from the record after two years under Health and Safety Code Sections
11361.5 and 11361.7.
Possession of one ounce or less in a vehicle while driving may also be charged under
Vehicle Code 23222, which is treated identically to HSC 11357 B.
No arrest or imprisonment is allowed for possession of less than one ounce of
marijuana. However, police often get around this provision by charging minor
offenders with intent to sell. (Note: this info gleaned from canorml.org)
If you enjoy league play and want to protect OUR reputation as an upstanding organization, we must all speak to our friends, teammates and opponents about this issue. It's not a question of legality, morality or insanity; it's about being adults and realizing we must treasure and defend our wonderful sport of pool. WE ARE NOT CRAZED DRUGGIES AND DRUNKS!!
Quote: If you can't do something well, enjoy doing it badly. ''
' ' Pool Quote: I have moments of brilliance, followed by extended periods of mediocrity.
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Victor
USA
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Posted - 10/08/2007 : 4:22:27 PM
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PS: Having less than an ounce in your car should not be confused with driving while impaired. As they say in the south: "y'all be careful, c'heer".
Translation: "you all be careful, hear". |
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D-RACK
USA
321 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2007 : 4:28:24 PM
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VERY NICE VIC!!! Probably the most exact answer ever!
LMAO
There will be at least 15 more post on this subject i bet a 20 on it!!.....
Derrick |
Edited by - D-RACK on 10/08/2007 4:29:08 PM |
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Phil
USA
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Posted - 10/08/2007 : 4:37:54 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Torsten
Perception is 90% of reality. While it is the individual who is partaking in the use weed, it still causes the perception that, "Whoa! What the @#$%? The pool league is a bunch of potheads?"
If one of our members chooses to wear gang apparel, does that make the league a bunch of gang members? It happens.
If one of our members has a swastika tatooed on his body, does that make the league a bunch of nazis? It happens.
If one of our members goes to prison then comes back, does that make the league a bunch of ex-convicts? It happens.
My point is this. Even though we do not condone it, we don't legislate the personal behavior of our members, unless that behavior directly affects league play or our relationship with our business partners. Legislation and enforcement are left to the appropriate parties.
Phil
(Ok, now let the "but doesn't getting high before your match directly affect your league play?" responses begin...)
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jackmurray
USA
51 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2007 : 5:12:20 PM
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I think I want to gamble bet wage d-rack's $20.  |
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D-RACK
USA
321 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 08:20:36 AM
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OK JACK!!!!! WE GOT A BET!!! LOL ....
13 More Post to go .... LOL
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NOTICE TO ALL TEAM CAPTAINS - ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES
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