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D-RACK
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 Posted - 11/13/2007 : 10:47:52 AM
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In playoffs or League nights are you allowed to start with 5,6,7??
In playoffs or League nights are you allowed to start with 5,7,7??
Just wondering...
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bikercowboy
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Posted - 11/13/2007 : 10:54:16 AM
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| Total is 18 or 19 so you would have to have two 2's on your roster to meet the 23 cap. If you have a 2 and a 3 on the roster you can only make the fist option |
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Kerry Randolph
USA
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Posted - 11/14/2007 : 08:35:20 AM
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At any time through the night you need to have players on your roster that have not played that night that will add up your skil levels to 23 or lower. So, if you have played 4-5s you have to have a 3 or lower left on your roster. they don't have to be there they just have to be on your roster. If all you have left on your roster is 4s or higher than you have broken the 23 rule. If you have a 3 left but not there that night than the last match is a forfeit. Go ahead and start your big shooters just make sure you have two player that are 3 or lower on your roster, and hope your shooters win!
It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt |
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Victor
USA
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Posted - 11/14/2007 : 09:30:50 AM
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My team, Chalk is Cheap, won our division during the spring of 2006. We went to the playoffs and started our top guns: figuring (and hoping) we would win the first three matches and hence the playoff match. Our SL-5 five played and won. We then started our SL-6, who also won. We next played our SL-7 and that's when the controversy got started.
It seems that when you select your players, it must be considered that all five matches must be considered when strategizing who gets to play. The 23 rule must be in play whether those matches are to be played or not; even if you feel or think that you can win the first three matches. We could have remained at or below the 23 rule, but figured we could sweep. Our SL-7 won the lag and when she broke, the other team objected that we had violated the rule since by playing her we couldn't abide by the rule with our remaining players. They were right!
As an experienced team, we should have known better! To make a long story short, we forfeited the entire match to the other team. Needless to say, we were not happy. My advice is to be careful whom you choose to play for any given match. 
Victor
PS: And Phil thought this question was put to rest: not a chance! 
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D-RACK
USA
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Posted - 11/14/2007 : 11:01:52 AM
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But.... The real question is let say my roster is 7,6,6,5,2,2,3,4
Can I play 7,6,5, to start knowing i have 2,2, to close? thats 3 to 18 isn't there a rule against that?
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Torsten
USA
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Posted - 11/14/2007 : 11:15:26 AM
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That's a good question, Derick. I know that in nine-ball, it's against the rules to play three black-tier players in the same lineup. You are not precluded from HAVING three or more players ranked SL6 or higher, but you may not play them all, even if you can mathematically fit them into 23 points or fewer.
I think the worst time to have a heart attack would be during a game of charades... or during a game of fake heart attack. |
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sharpshooter
USA
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Posted - 11/14/2007 : 12:06:36 PM
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Well if you like those you'll love this one.About 1 or 2 years ago I was shooting on league night when I overheard a couple of teams shooting on a different table.I guess the issue was one team had enough players to shoot but went over the 23 cap.Now the other teams fifth shooter had not shown up,but the capt.of that team insisted that the player was going to be there,therefore making the other team forefit.Now how does that work? "HINT" the other teams fifth player never showed up,being that the player was actually out of town at the time.
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Kerry Randolph
USA
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Posted - 11/14/2007 : 12:13:40 PM
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As long as the team with 5 players had a player on the roster that could keep them under the 23 rule whether they were there or not, than it is a double forfiet. If that team did not have a player that could keep them under 23, than it is a forfiet of all matches. Remember it is continuous play so saying a player will be there is not the same as actually being there.
It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt |
Edited by - Kerry Randolph on 11/14/2007 12:14:36 PM |
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sharpshooter
USA
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Posted - 11/14/2007 : 12:54:21 PM
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WELL thats just it one team had five players but went over 23.
The other team only had four players present.So they said that their fifth was on their way knowing that this was untrue.If a player is on your roster but is not present how can you use them to earn a forfiet? |
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Taz
USA
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Posted - 11/14/2007 : 3:33:51 PM
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Sharpshooter,
In the scenario you described, the fifth match should have been scored as a double-forfeit. Saying a player is on their way is not the same as having the player present and ready to play the fifth match. As Kerry said, play must be continous. Your team captain should have known better, or if not sure, should have contacted the league office or division rep for clarification.
When the fourth match finished, the team who could not field 23 with the players present, but had a player on the roster that would keep them at 23, would forfeit the fifth match. The opposing team, not having a fifth player PRESENT AND READY TO PLAY would also forfeit the fifth match.
A player who is on the roster (not present) can be counted towards the 23 rule allowing the team to forfeit the fifth match and not break the 23 rule. There is a huge difference between forfeiting the fifth match and breaking the 23 rule, as breaking the 23 rule forfeits all point earned for the night.
D-rack,
In 8-Ball you can use whatever line-up you wish, as long as your printed roster shows that, had the team needed to use five players, you would have been able to field a legal 23 (or lower) line-up.
In 9-Ball, a team may only use 2 senior skill level players in any one team match (senior skill level being SL6 or higher) and provided they can meet the 5 to 23 max.
There is no rule against 3 to 18 (provided you can add two others and meet the 23 rule). I believe this is where you are confused. The 23 rule states that, if a team cannot meet the 23 rule with the 5 lowest players on their roster, then (AND ONLY THEN) they can play 4 to 19 (forfeiting the 5th match). If a team cannot meet the 23 rule as above, and cannot meet the 4 to 19 rule either, then they can play 3 to 15.
Victor, you are correct. Your experienced team should have known better. The only reason this questions has not been put to bed is because the majority of players don't take the time to actually read the rule book. It spells it out quite clearly. Also, as with any other rule that causes confusion, players who are in need of rule clarifications should always feel free to contact the league office. |
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Can you start 5,6,7
